Leadership Gurus Orrin Woodward & Chris Brady
Update: 7-27-13 - Orrin Woodward provided the following answer on this site and now Scott Allen has updated his article with new news. Someone must really not like what Orrin, Chris and LIFE Leadership is doing to go to this extreme to smear them. Here is Orrin's response on the site mentioned:
Here is the short answer. http://scottsocialmediaallen.com/orrin-woodward-chris-brady-critics-not-applying-critical-thinking/ The longer answer is I hired a private eye to track down our Russian friend that allegedly owns this site and here is what he found. First, the site changed hands last year. Second, the person who bought it filed it under a bogus address that no one - no business or person lives at. Also, the person who allegedly owns the site cannot be found - and therefore the entire site is bogus and we had to file a John Doe lawsuit just to track down the "owner."
Scott Allen, a social media expert, wrote the following article to expose the silly games and fallacious reasoning of the Amway drones. The drones seem incapable of comprehending the leadership necessary for Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady to make a principle-centered stand and leave their former company. Even more impressive is to have nearly 50,000 people leave their business bonuses behind to follow them out the door. Indeed, never in the history of Network Marketing has such a mass exodus occurred through following a leader's principles over one's personal profits.
John Maxwell states that if you call yourself a leader, but no one is following, then you are only out for a walk. In contrast, if you are a servant-leader and 50,000 people leave a company with you, then you don't need any leadership titles because your leadership is proven by the group following. This is exactly the leadership Orrin and Chris displayed. Furthermore, today, Orrin and Chris have tens of thousands of people thriving in LIFE and attending monthly events across North America. Also, tens of thousands more buy monthly LIFE subscriptions on the topics of leadership and personal development. Accordingly, they are recognized as two of the most successful leaders in the field of personal development. Nonetheless, the nameless and shameless drones drivel out hate-filled diatribes that only validate the fear produced by LIFE Leadership's impressive first year results.
Finally, Amway drones, if you are going to buy leadership guru sites, buy them all. You missed one. :) Update: Orrin Woodward's new book LeaderShift hit NY Times bestseller list two weeks in a row, I wonder what the Amway drones can say about that. :) In any event, with no further ado, here is Scott Allen's probing and perceptive insights into the issues.
Orrin Woodward & Chris Brady Critics Not Applying Critical Thinking
“No accurate thinker will judge another person by that which the other person’s enemies say about him.” — Napoleon Hill
Orrin Woodward [bio - blog] is a leadership expert. He’s co-author, with Chris Brady [bio - blog], of Launching a Leadership Revolution, which was a bestseller on just about every list around: The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Business Week, USA Today and Money. In addition to authoring over a dozen books, they’re successful entrepreneurs with two 8-figure businesses, LIFE and TEAM, and they’re both Black Diamond distributors in Monavie. Orrin’s also a client and a friend.
But some people don’t like him, or what he does, or what he stands for.
To some extent, that comes with the territory. Some people simply don’t like network marketing, period. Or the personal development industry. Some people have had bad experiences, for whatever reason. When you take a stand, when you put yourself out there like he does, you’re going to be a target.
Legitimate criticism is fine. People sharing their personal experiences, even if negative, is fine. Baseless accusations and innuendo aren’t.
And, when we added an IP address checker to our system this year, two Guru candidates listed in the top 15, Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady, who have had substantial votes since 2010, were disqualified and removed from the list because more than 98% of their votes came for only three IP addresses, meaning that only three people voted for them over and over again. This accounted for almost 2000 of their votes.
UPDATE 2/22/13: Following a letter from Orrin’s office to the site owner asking for the evidence, none has been provided. What type of alleged leadership site would make an allegation without providing evidence? Draw your own conclusions.
The casual reader might look at this and be shocked. But I smell a rat, because I know Orrin and Chris, and this just isn’t consistent with what I know about them. Let’s apply a little bit of critical thinking:
- They simply have no need to game it. They have the real influence. Launching a Leadership Revolution has sold hundreds of thousands of copies. Orrin is the #2 leadership development expert on Twitter, according to WeFollow [Ed. - See all Orrin's scores here. He and Chris are both ranked for leadership, as well.] (not riggable, because it’s based on actual behavior, not just follower count) [Ed. - See comments for more about WeFollow]. LIFE events routinely have 10,000+ people at them. Their membership is highly motivated and organized. Their social media imprint could gather 2,000 unique IP votes in an hour, let alone a year.
- If they had wanted to game it, you wouldn’t know it. Frankly, they don’t have the know-how internally to rig it. I do, but a) I wouldn’t, and b) even if I did, there wouldn’t be any evidence. (And seriously, who makes a voting site and doesn’t prevent duplication by IP address?)
And I’ve talked to Orrin about it. They simply didn’t do it. They’ve also checked around within their organization, and it looks like they have hundreds of people who can verify voting for them, not 40 (2% of 2,000), as the site implies.
My first challenge to Evgeniy Chetvertakov, the current owner of Leadershipgurus.net, is this: present your evidence. What time frame are you talking about? Orrin stopped linking to the site at all when it went down last fall (did it change ownership?). What are the IP addresses? How do you know they’re from someone in Orrin’s organization, and not one of his critics trying to make him look bad? Given some of the tactics we’ve seen, that’s actually more plausible.
My second challenge is really a question: why make these accusations without even contacting Orrin or Chris? What happened to “innocent until proven guilty”? Or even just common courtesy? Why put yourself in the position of making defamatory statements without a proper investigation? And how can you run a leadership site without practicing one of the basic principles of leadership: get both sides of the story.
Let’s stick to the facts. And the fact of the matter is, Orrin’s and Chris’s credentials are indisputable. Ranking on this one site was just an acknowledgment of those accomplishments…not something they needed as validation. The fact that they referenced it in the past was simply good marketing. And I know their social media footprint — I will personally stake my professional reputation that they can easily generate 2,000 votes or other actions on any independent site in a matter of a couple of days.
Use your brain. Look at the facts. These accusations just don’t add up.